you get care and it's paid for either by charity, the government, or by the hospital. we don't have people that become ill who die in their apartment because they don't have insurance. >> well, that's not true. >> that's a quote. >> well, that's not true. first of all, we know from several studies that tens and thousands of americans die every year from lack of health insurance. one study by harvard university puts that at 45,000 and a couple lower ones at 20,000. >> and a couple higher. >> what mitt romney is doing is something i haven't heard a single figure ever do, which is endorse the current health care status quo. and you can talk to hospital administrators, the folks that run catholic charities, people in medicaid. the current status quo is where people show up in emergency rooms and it's the least efficient, most human and expensive way of delivering health care. that's the status quo that everyone agrees is broken that we should do away with and, in fact, was one of the main drivers. >> exactly. it's agreed to by both parties. >> no one says that it's a great